Depravity

Sullivan meditates upon the most sobering aspect of the torture debate: That American citizens, most especially so-called "Christians," don't see anything wrong with torture if it is used in the "right situation," as if there is a right situation, and as if torture ever produces any reliable results. This is utter depravity. 

And then, some conservative politicians charged that President Obama didn't extract more humanitarian concessions from the Castros in return for a thaw in relations, especially in their treatment of prisoners. 

Do these people have no self-awareness? Do they not see that we have lost the moral standing to ever demand that other countries treat their prisoners better? Can somebody tell my what right we have to demand better treatment of prisoners when we have violated the most basic of human rights, the right not to have your dignity and humanity ripped to shreds by the state? And when we tortured to extract false confessions which would justify the torture, just as Stalin so infamously did? 

Nothing has made me feel more alienated from my own country than this issue. I thought it was the core reason we needed to win the Cold War, and the core reason defeating the Nazis was a moral crusade, not merely a geopolitical war between great powers.